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Zen Ray binos

Postby Jnielsen on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:22 am

Joanie, Have you tested the Zen Ray ED binos against the Big Four? (Zeiss,Swarovski,Leica,Nikon)

Thay are getting many positive reviews as the best binos avaliable under $1000. Ed glass,phase coated, silver mirrored prisms ect.

They are about to release a eD2 model that will also have Diaelectric prism coatings instead of silver, priced around $600. They also have easy clean exterior lens coatings.

What about the similar Promaster ED and Hawk ED binos??
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Jne_K on Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:01 am

Can't help you on those, since these are brands we do not carry.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Guest on Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:53 am

Jnielson:

Go to birdforum.net for info on the Zen Ray's. However, be prepared for an avalanche of enthusiasm overlooking the ZR's obvious six faults: weight, weight and more weight, silly Euro open bridge design and magnesium frame. Everyone is gaga over their CA benefits, image quality and PRICE.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Jne_K on Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:56 am

Thanks. Will visit the discussion, but I've learned not to pass judgement, one way or the other, till I have had a chance to get a product in the hand. Like you say, a little enthusiasm goes a long way.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby JGRaider on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:04 am

I'm intrigued by those Zen's also. I don't know what "silly open bridge design" flaw you refer to, but the Swaro EL does quite well with that design, as does the Bushnell Elite, which has great glass too. I know of an outdoor writer or two on other forums that absolutely love the view. As to durabililty, time will tell. I happen to be one of those who believe the alpha glass from europe is way, way overpriced nowadays, as is the Nikon EDG. This coming from a Leica fan, and I currently use the Trinovid 10x42's and love 'em. You don't have to spend big bucks to get great glass nowadays.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Jne_K on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:17 am

I agree, absolutely. People who tell me they don't like the open bridge design are people who usually haven't tried one. An open bridge bino is, indeed, a very different animal in terms of feel and handling. I first saw an EL, back in the 90s, the first year the EL came out, picked one up, and went, "Wow", even before I looked through it.

Yes, hard core birders, myself included, typically have a love affair with expensive binoculars. Do we identify more birds because we carry very expensive binoculars? No, at least not directly. We carry such expensive binoculars because we are addicted to the image quality they provide; because they show the birds we love in even more glory than less expensive binoculars and, to some extent, because it is very difficult to go back to a lesser model when you've used the best. A premium binocular does make birding even more enjoyable and therefore makes it more likely that you will go birding - in that sense a premium binocular can make you a better birder. If it was just a matter of identifying birds, though, an honest answer is that we could identify as many birds, or at least very close to it, with a binocular at half or even less than half the price of today's premium birding binoculars. There is a lot of good glass out there under $1000, including the Elite, Pentax DCF SP and so on.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Guest on Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:33 pm

Silly ZR's open bridge design is uncomfortable, adds weight, destroys handling, magnifies a source of severe potential problems x2 and copies the silly euro open bridge designs for no advantage!

As to euro bin's - they all weigh way, too much! The golden rule, established by others, which I respect, says keep bins to 24 oz or less - unless of course you have a gun bearer in tow or you never get out of the bus.

Good binoculars are more than good glass or good CaF2 (or good pretend CaF2). Good image is obviously important and better images for less money is a real step forward; however, good bin's must be packaged in an durable, reliable, weight efficient manner that promotes excellent handling. ZR's (I believe Atlas is a clone) offerings despite a huge step forward on the image/price scale are, presently, silly and unpractical. Copying euro trash for snob appeal (or brand loyalty if you wish) is worse than silly, it's a waste.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby JGRaider on Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:39 pm

So Guest, what do you recommend? I've found the weight of my trinovids @ higher mags like 10x help keep the bino steadier than a real light weight one. You're the first I've heard to call the Swaro EL's "trash".
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Jne_K on Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:43 pm

Hi

I'm not going to comment on those brands, since we don't carry them over, here, but thanks for your opinions. I will stick with the Swarovski EL when I want an open bridge binocular, even at its sinful and evil 28 ounces. Each to their own.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Guest on Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:32 pm

Around my neck are Vortex Fury 8x28's for most walks in adjacent Brown's Ferry Park (three to five times a day - every day). For evening walks (after 8:15 pm, presently) 8x42 Nikon Monarch's for a bit of added reach into shadows and at dusk. In the glove compartment of my car rest a pair of Vortex Hurricanes 8x28. These bin's share the same two qualities. Light weight and excellent handling. In fact their handling is so good that all of them, including the 42's can be readilly used - one handed. A very important consideration for me as my other hand holds Sadie's (Springer Spaniel) leash. Thus preventing a "No, not the ducks!" stituation and my being politely, but firmly asked to leave the park.

I might, someday, upgrade (slightly) the Monarch's to Vortex Viper 8x42's - also fairly light weight with excellent handling and an aluminum, not magnesium body.

The above are perfect for being around my neck for up to six or seven hours a day. On many occasions I have tried Zeiss and Swarovsky, but never Lecia bins. Of those that I've sampled that had good optics - they were all way too heavy including those with open bridge designs. Conquest's were an exception, I was not very impressed with their optics.

As I see it, Bin's with excellent optics, poor handling and heavy weight get left behind. You can only use the bin's that you carry. Of course if you can afford a gun bearer or two, then that might change everything.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby JGRaider on Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:48 pm

It's obvious by the choices you have made in your binos you cannot afford good stuff, which is why you are intent on bashing it. Nikon Monarch? Vortex Fury? You've got to be kidding if you're comparing those to the alpha stuff. You could have at least said a Meopta or something, then you wouldn't look so ignorant. By the way, get a bino harness and you won't notice the "rediculous" weight of the good stuff.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Guest on Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:54 pm

jgraider:
You are a fool. Accordingly...

JK:
You're very welcome to your Swaro's, have fun carying them back after each and every hike.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Tero on Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:06 am

These Chinese ED binos have appeared under various brands. EO sells them as Atlas, a NY store as Promaster Elite.

They are the best I have owned so far, never liked my 10x40 Zeiss Conquest and these beat my Pentax SP 10x42 for color, contrast, sharpness. Focusing is a bit slow.

I would encourage OP to look up a seller, source. All the others have picked this up. Even that Texas rifle scope outfit.

Bushnell Legend HD is not the same, but is clearly in the same game.

The more choices we have, the better.
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby Jne_K on Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:30 am

Will pass this on. Thanks
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Re: Zen Ray binos

Postby ET on Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:24 am

I don't have a problem with the open frame. Some people will just never be happy with Chinese binos. To each his own.

I don't need the open frame, Bushnell Ultras are fine too, especially 10x.
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