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ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby bucksnortinted on Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:41 pm

hello
i have been doing kwite a bit on gathering some information on a few different bino's and i would realy like to get some opinions on these,i know they have had a bad flare issue with the 7x36 ED1 but i understand they have cured that issue in the new 7x36 ED2,and that they have had the grey ghost effect on the 8x43 ED1 and 10x but i heard that the 8x43 ED2 and 10x43 have both improved a little on the lenses easier to clean with new coatings and better in the rain,and they inmproved the focus knob from 2 1/2 turns to 1 3/4 and they have improved the strap and lens covers are tighter and fit more snug,but i have heard users say that alot of the flare,glare or grey ghost was when there head was at an akward angle and there eyes were not on the eye caps anway
alot of people compare these opticaly as bright and sharp as leicas or swaros and are good in low light,from what i have seen around from different users these would be hard to beat for the money for hunting deer,for $430.00 for the ZEN ED2 10x43 for hunting this would be very hard pressed to beat wouldn't it,i am not going from what figures that are on paper or a report but from users that have looked thru the leicas zeiss and the ZEN ED2,they prefer the ZENS are the ZEN ED2 realy that good
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby bucksnortinted on Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:33 pm

nobody on this forums to fond of the ZEN RAYS i see
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:50 pm

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Not a brand or model we carry, so can't offer any personal comments, other than to try before you buy on any new and untested brand. I would be especially vigilant ass to customer service and also consistency of product quality.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby ET on Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:15 pm

You will find all you need to know about ZR at www.birdforum.net

It has become a bit of a point of debate there and some people there have been accused of being salesmen for ZR.

If you want to look at a model here that is similar, Bushnell Ultra HD is probably from the same plant or from similar parts.

The main problem with the ZR and a number of similar brands is a slow focus knob. I have one pair related to them. I still use an 8x32 Pentax more than them, despite the chinese having sharper focus in the center.
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Postby Jne_K on Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:52 am

Thanks, ET. Excellent info, as always
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby JGRaider on Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:52 am

I have the Zen ED2 10x43 and they are superb. As I posted in another thread (no to be redundant), these Zen's are optically clearer, brighter, better resolution and better contrast than my trinovid 10x42's, and my neighbor's SLC 10x42's in which I compared side by side. The view was very much on par with his 10x EL's (no kidding). I've been using them since last September and they are holding up well. I'm not affilitated with ZR in any way.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:07 am

Thanks. Very timely and useful info
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby bucksnortinted on Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:31 pm

JGRaider wrote:I have the Zen ED2 10x43 and they are superb. As I posted in another thread (no to be redundant), these Zen's are optically clearer, brighter, better resolution and better contrast than my trinovid 10x42's, and my neighbor's SLC 10x42's in which I compared side by side. The view was very much on par with his 10x EL's (no kidding). I've been using them since last September and they are holding up well. I'm not affilitated with ZR in any way.


thanks
ihave heard great things about the ZEN ED's the problem i am havings is chosing between a good deal i can get on a pair of ED1's or wait and get the ED2,how are the 10x43's
do you wish you would of got the 8x43 or do you hunt alot of open country,my hunting would be mixed,fields and would lots,can you hold the 10x steady enough
Thanks Ted
i am not affileated No way with ZEN RAY either
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby JGRaider on Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:41 am

I do primarily hunt open country, which is why I've always been partial to 10x binos. I did look at the 8x Zen's also and they were just as good, maybe a slight bit brighter yet. I'm usually sitting down when I do serious glassing, so resting them on a pair of shooting sticks, knees, etc usually solves the shaking problem. You probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Ed1 and ED2 unless you were doing a side by side comparison. Good luck.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby bucksnortinted on Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:25 pm

JGRaider wrote:I do primarily hunt open country, which is why I've always been partial to 10x binos. I did look at the 8x Zen's also and they were just as good, maybe a slight bit brighter yet. I'm usually sitting down when I do serious glassing, so resting them on a pair of shooting sticks, knees, etc usually solves the shaking problem. You probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Ed1 and ED2 unless you were doing a side by side comparison. Good luck.


thats is what another guy said also i would not be able to tell the difference in the ED's and the ED2's unless i had them side by side to compare them,but with the couple of different upgrades on the ED2's with the dielectric coating and the couple of other upgrades with the rain gaurd on lens and easier cleaning i chose to purchase the ED2's in the 8x43 and Charles at Zen let me lay them away with three equal installments,so thats pretty good customer service,
and thats the only way i could have purchased them right now
so i am happy and i can't wait to get them to see what everyone is bragging about

Ted
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:21 am

Thanks, Ted. Maybe OpticsPlanet should consider carry Zen Ray. I'll put in a good word via the comments you folks have posted.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby bucksnortinted on Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:29 am

jne K

i think from all the reviews i couldn't go wrong with the
Zen ED2 8x43 as soon as i can get them paid for and try them out i will post my opinion of them,like you said maybe there worth checking out

Ted
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:30 am

Thanks - any input would be appreciated. Zen Ray is a new brand that seems to be generating a lot of press.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby stereotruckdriver on Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:52 pm

Joanie, the Zen-Ray are for real! Just recieved the 7x36 ED 2's today! I have some good glass that I can vouch for and do some compairing with. I think even you would be as pleasantly suprised as I was! Bryce.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:47 pm

Hi Bryce

Ok, that settles it - I better find a pair to look at. Thanks!!
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby ET on Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:06 am

I would lump most of the open frame ED glass into the same category. The ZR offers more sizes and powers.

The main issue in my mind is how long they will be around and what the service is. My ProMaster 10x pair developed an eye cup problem, one would not go all the way in. Very typical, I have had this with Pentax and Nikon as well. They just sent me a new pair, they did not attempt a repair. So if they still are in business 10 years from now, they will again just send a new pair, but perhaps a new model. They do not have the staff to do repairs in the US.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:27 am

Right, ET. That is a risk you run with all new companies. it appears that Zen Ray has done, well, in terms of customer service from the comments I am reading, but how ling will they be around? It can be very hard and very expensive to find independent binocular repair places. In truth, though, most optics companies that go under are just picked up by another brand and absorbed into their line. If Zen Ray is producing a good product and a good price and if they manage to establish a name for themselves, I think it is worth the risk.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby JGRaider on Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:50 am

Like Joanie said, that's obviously the risk you run with new companies. Just remember though, nobody is immune to problems, as Leica has been bankrupt once already, and from what I'm told better make a few changes or they will be again. In this economy I'd venture to guess that the high end stuff will suffer the most. This just opens the door for products that offer alpha class glass at a bargain.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby stereotruckdriver on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:35 pm

Jne_K wrote:Right, ET. That is a risk you run with all new companies. it appears that Zen Ray has done, well, in terms of customer service from the comments I am reading, but how ling will they be around? It can be very hard and very expensive to find independent binocular repair places. In truth, though, most optics companies that go under are just picked up by another brand and absorbed into their line. If Zen Ray is producing a good product and a good price and if they manage to establish a name for themselves, I think it is worth the risk.

Acctually Zen-Ray does have there own repair facility. It is in Beaverton, OR same town as Leupold.
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Re: ZEN RAY ED1 & ED2 8x and 10x EVALUATION

Postby Jne_K on Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:55 am

Even better! That's a big plus. Thanks for the update.
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