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swarovski SLC

Postby chafro on Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:56 pm

Im about to but they 10 X 42 SLC, my questions:

They are for hunting but we hunt very open fields so I really need the 10X.

They are around 1400.

Do you recommend them? Does HD really makes a difference to spend 700+ more on the HD upgrade?
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby chafro on Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:11 pm

Or is it worth another 1000+ to upgrade to EL.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby Jne_K on Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:09 am

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Going the HD route will get you better resolution, contrast and color correction, yes and, if you are doing some serious trophy hunting, I think it is well worth the investment. As for the EL, that gets you the great handling of the open bridge design and also the flat field optics, which I love. Not sure how much that will add for hunting purposes, but, for sure, go the HD route, either way, if you can afford it.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby Jne_K on Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:08 am

I agree. You really do have to pick up an EL to appreciate the way it feels.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby andrew on Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:05 pm

HD is extremely hard to actually see a difference. If our eye is good enough to tell the difference bt excellent glass and extremely excellent glass then your pretty good. I own Leica geovids and sawrov's slc 10x50 and like the slc a little better bc of the objective difference but i love the rangefinder in the leicas. When i purchased my ATS spotting scope I compared side by side the HD and the standard and could tell no difference. We played a little game and mixed them up so we didnt know which one was which. TO ME, HD is just another reason to hike up an already high dollar piece of equipment. Again only if its good glass..... if the glass is actually very clear to begin with how can your eye honestly pick out something that is more clearer... haha yeah.

Great pick 10x42 are good. the EL's are just lighter and more expensive. Its all the same glass
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Postby Jne_K on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:25 pm

HI

I can agree up to a point, in that the HD resolution difference is not always obvious. The difference is typically best seen, visually, at the high magnification end of a spotting scope, usually above 40x and at any magnification for digiscoping, which I do on a regular basis. I can definitely see under these circumstances and would disagree that HD or ED under these circumstances is just an excuse for the manufacturer to raise the price. Yes, at lower magnifications and, especially at binocular magnifications, there is very little resolution difference, if any, that can be between standard glass and HD glass. In fact, when binoculars started to feature ED and HD glass I was also a bit skeptical of any practical use other than an excuse to raise prices. However, I have seen benefits of HD/ED, even in binoculars, for color correction and for contrast and have done so in side by side comparisons with similar models from the same manufacturer, say between a Pentax DCF SP and a Pentax DCF ED. Will such an improvement actually let you identify more birds or spot more game if you are hunter? It would be pretty tough to back up such a claim in any factual way, but what the heck, if you enjoy better color rendition and better contrast, that is reason enough to pay for it. If you don't value those things, by all means, choose models without HD and, quite honestly, I can't see how anyone would ever be dissatisfied with the images in an SLC or standard glass ATS. You're right, great stuff.

As for the EL, I myself could justify going that way over the SLC just on the basis of body design and handling and, I agree, there was little difference in optics between the SLC and the old EL. The new EL is another matter. There is a visible difference, for me, at any rate, in optics of the new model EL with it HD and, especially flat field optics over the old EL, again in side by side tests with both. I would spend the money to get the new EL HD because I do see a difference and because I value the difference. On the other hand, I agree that it would be a mistake to go that route if it is not worth it to you.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby JGRaider on Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:42 am

I own the SLCneu, and have looked at them side by side with the Swarovision, old style EL, Swaro SLC HD, Zeiss FL, etc and many others while guiding hunters. The bottom line is that these show me nothing that the SLCneu, or even my Leupold GR HD won't also show me. THe rolling ball effect while panning with the Swarovision turns me off, and the open bridge design of many different makers of binos is not nearly as tough as the single hinge design of the SLC neu or GR HD, etc. The SLC HD, FL, SV EL, are wonderful glass for sure, but if you can't spot and evaluate game with high quality stuff like the SLCneu, Gr HD, Zen Ray ED2, Bushnell Elite (not E2), Meopta, Vortex Razor, etc it's the fault of the glasser, not the glass. There is absolutely no need to spend $2k on any binocular today when the others will show you the same things while big game hunting. Every time hunters show up with their glass I get to compare, and I do it quite often. This is what my eyes tell me. Spotting scopes are another matter....buy all you can afford.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby Jne_K on Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:21 am

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Can't argue that spending the big bucks is proportionate to performance you get in the field. As a birding and optics nut, I'll be the first to argue (and I have on this forum) that I spend the big bucks because I enjoy the view, not because the big bucks and boutique optics automatically allow me to see more birds. Absolutely, if I went birding strictly to ID birds, I could identify as many birds with binos in the $300 - 500 range. I know, because I have tested these binos in the field right alongside my Swarovski, Zeiss and Leica and done just that. The problem, as with so many of us in the hardcore camp, is that we are addicted to great optics and, oh, yes, we can see a difference and we are willing to spend whatever it takes to get it even when the differences are small and do not translate to more birds seen in the field. Better optics and quality, however, can translate to more enjoyment and more enjoyment translates to more motivation to get back out into the field. In my opinion that, alone is a valid reason to buy premium optics. Decide for yourself how much you "want" in optics beyond how much you "need" in optics and spend, accordingly. It is definitely worth it to me to buy premium, but it may not be worth it to you. each to their own.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby JGRaider on Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:28 pm

The SLCneu, Gold Ring HD, Meopta, and the others I listed previously are so close optically to anything I've ever looked through, once again including the EL, SV EL, FL, and older EL there's not a nickle's worth of difference in the view, you don't get headaches, eye fatigue, etc after hours of glassing. Build quality with the SLCneu, GR HD, and Meopta are just as good also, maybe better at a fraction of the cost. If you were able to cover up the brand names on some of the "high class' glass you refer to, and then critique, most people IMO wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
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Re: swarovski SLC

Postby Jne_K on Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:35 am

No argument that they are all good, but I can see differences, though maybe more like a dime's worth than a nickel. Anyway, as always, thanks, JG
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