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Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby GYS on Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:25 pm

Which of the three models below will have the best optics?

Bushnell Legacy WP 8x42
Bushnell H2O 8x42
Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

It says in the Celestron product info that it has an aluminum main body. Do the Bushnells also have an aluminum body? Which model will have the most durable build?

I've read some articles that say that unlike roof prisms, porro prism binoculars will occasionally need re-collimation. Will those models above eventually need re-collimation even if you handle them carefully and avoid hard knocks or drops? Isn't the collimation problems that happen to porro binoculars like these only the result of rough handling or abuse?
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby Jne_K on Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:48 pm

Hi

All very similar, but the Legacy or the Nature gets my nod over the H2O for having fully multi-coated lenses.

Okay, recollimation is a potential issue, yes, with a porro, though when we say recollimation, here, we are talking about a repair, actually, since, with very few exceptions, that is not something you can do by yourself on a porro, especially a waterproof porro, since opening the binocular causes you to lose your nitrogen purging.

If you receive the binocular out of collimation, you are covered under a warranty, but if it is in anyway your fault - dropping or banging the bino on something - it comes out of your pocket.( Celestron may be the more forgiving of these three on this.)

Now, there are porros and there are porros as far as their ability to stay in collimation. Better grade porros have the prisms very well anchored, but porros under $100, much less so and that's what you have with these three. If you expect some rough handling, you may want to choose a roof.
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby GYS on Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:34 pm

Thanks for your reply.

Will a roof prism like the Barska Huntmaster 8x42mm Waterproof Binoculars have better optics than all the three porros, especially the H2O? It says in Barska's website that the Huntmaster is phase-coated, however, the price seems low for a phase coated binocular.

Is it actually the rough handling that causes porros to go out of collimation? Can it be avoided by careful handling or will just the normal act of focusing and refocusing them eventually make them go out of collimation?
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby Jne_K on Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:10 am

Hi

You can expect a phase-coated roof to be competitive with an equal quality porro, so, yes, for an application like hunting where some rough use is typical, a roof may be the way to go for you.

I've seen porros (and roofs, too) go out of collimation from both normal wear and tear and rough handling, though, of course, rough handling makes it more likely. Again, in this price range, a roof will certainly be less likely to have issues.

We'll have to take Barska's word on that, since there is no visible feature that indicates phase-correction other than an improvement in resolution. Keep in mind, though, that phase-correction has filtered down into even the lowest priced roof prisms, so I have no reason to doubt the Barskas are PC.
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby GYS on Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:28 pm

Thanks for your reply.

I'm interested in the Bushnell H2O 8x42 Porro Open Box Dealer Demo due to its current low price. Is this a good buy?

The picture shown has fold-down eyecups while the product info says twist-up eyecups. Is the actual product Optics Planet is selling the newer version of this model with the twist-up eyecups?

Are these Open Box Dealer Demo still as good as brand new?

Will they have cosmetic flaws?

Being a dealer demo have these models been displayed in stores or have been subjected to extensive and/or rough handling?

Are they inspected for collimation problems and are they well collimated?
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby Jne_K on Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:20 am

Hi

You won't able to tell the difference from new and, yes, these are the most current version. Go for it. Definitely a good deal.
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby GYS on Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:47 pm

Does the demo model also include all the accessories included with a brand new H2O, like case, case and neckstraps, and lens covers?

Does the warranty of a brand new H2O also apply to the demo model?
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby Jne_K on Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:21 am

Hi

If it is a demo being offered by OP, same as new, yes, complete with all accessories and full warranty. If it is a demo direct from Bushnell, the answer is sometimes not all accessories, i.e. caps, but still basically a new binocular with full warranty, yes. If you have any questions on what is included, though, I would just visit with OP.

I'd rate them all as being similar as far as durability. Price is still the best way to predict what you'll get in a binocular as to build quality.
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby GYS on Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:56 pm

Have the demo H2Os been displayed in stores or handled/tested by many people?

Will they show signs of wear on the rubber armor or lenses?

Have they been refurbished or repaired?

Are they just as durable and will they last as long as a brand new H2O?
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Re: Legacy WP 8x42, H20 8x42, or Celestron Nature 8x42 Porro

Postby Jne_K on Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:19 am

Hi

If it is a demo offered by OP, you absolutely will not be able to tell it from new in any way. As I said, go for it.
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