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Comparison Pentax Gameseeker -vs- Nikon ProStaff

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Comparison Pentax Gameseeker -vs- Nikon ProStaff

Postby 243shooter on Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:17 pm

Has anyone compared a Pentax Gameseeker in 3-9x50 to a Nikon ProStaff in the same size? I don't hear much about the Pentax line of scopes and want to know if they are any good or should I stay away from them?
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Postby Steven_L on Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:45 pm

The entry level Pentax Gameseeker is much further away in quality to their main Lightseeker line than the Prostaff is away from their Monarch line. The Prostaff is a reliable scope with good adjustments and is a scope I regularly recommend for people on a budget. This is not a forum for me to belittle products that I don't like. Go with the Nikon.
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truth is truth yet again.

Postby MrGman on Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:32 pm

From Steve "This is not a forum for me to belittle products that I don't like. Go with the Nikon."

Well said, This is a forum for me to belittle products that I don't like (MrGman) Go with the Nikon Monarch series, I don't really like anything below that line. :lol:
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Comparison Pentax Gameseeker -vs- Nikon ProStaff

Postby 243shooter on Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:08 pm

Steven-L wrote:The entry level Pentax Gameseeker is much further away in quality to their main Lightseeker line than the Prostaff is away from their Monarch line. The Prostaff is a reliable scope with good adjustments and is a scope I regularly recommend for people on a budget. This is not a forum for me to belittle products that I don't like. Go with the Nikon.


Steven-L, I wasn't asking you to "belittle products" but from your comments I can see you don't have much respect for the Pentax Gameseeker. What I was hoping to get from a pro like you was something a little more objective and definitive. I was expecting something like: "the Nikon Prostaff has better light transmission by xx% and has much better resolution than the Pentax Gameseeker. The Pentax is made in China and the Nikon is made in Japan or the Phillipines or Mexico or Canada or Timbuktu." But, what I got was a personal opinion. Maybe that is all you have to offer? The optics companies seem afraid to publish real specifications on light transmission, resolution, distortion, and shock. These are things we really need to know.
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Postby Steven_L on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:08 pm

You read between the lines, leave it at that. I'm here to sell products, not not sell them. One man's junk is another man's treasure. I'm not going to expound on poor experiences with scopes, and I'm not a chatty person that can't wait to pour out paragraphs because I want to. Gman and others help with that (I appreciate the previous comment, G.), and they are instumental in giving those comments. Light transmission cannot be measured except by extremely expensive devices, and even then you can't compare them because companies don't measure them the same way with the same criteria and same wavelengths. Same with recoil testing and distortion. Gameseekers are Chinese. Nikons are Japanese. A hundred dollar scope is a hundred dollar scope, and picture quality will generally be so similar it will not make any real world difference. More important in a scope is integrity and reliability rather than a degree of brightness or resolution that can not be measured by the human eye. In a given price range, though, Nikon has such experience in glass and manufacturing that they often have an edge over other companies. I hope this helps a bit more. By the way, my personal opinions are based not only on what I use and test, but also on what customers like yourself say when they send items back because of this or that, or they order another because they are happy. Also from doing this for a couple decades.
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Postby ourmaninthesand on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:34 pm

Well said.
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Postby raffpap on Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:15 pm

Hey 243shooter, definitely go with the Nikon if you're looking to purchase. Made in Japan vs. made in China says everything that needs to be said! I own three ProStaff scopes and absolutely love them. Every North American game animal they've ever laid a reticle on has ended up in the freezer...the simple means by which I measure success/failure. They are a quality product with a lifetime full warranty, peace of mind that you'll most likely never need. I highly doubt the Pentax Gameseeker is of the same quality and comes with the same warranty.

Totally off subject here...if you are looking for a scope and are on a budget, as I usually am (cannot bring myself to purchase a $500-800 scope!), then maybe you should also check out the Bushnell Legend series. Fully multi-coated, 91% light transmission, wide angle. They are tremendous rifle scopes for the money...brighter, clearer and in my opinion an even better value than the ProStaff.
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technical data on low budget scopes?????

Postby MrGman on Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:58 am

Its amazing how some guys want mountains of technical data on the cheapest of scopes like in the end it will really make a difference.

If 243shooter follows this forum at all you would know that information is very hard to come by, just as Steve just explained. You would know that there has only been really good critical analysis of the most expensive top of the line scopes across a spectrum of companies and most of those didn't fair too well.

It would take an optical technician a good deal of time to get a full spectrum of readings through a scope with very expensive equipment that needs calibration and certifications on a regular basis, companies only do that on their more expensive models, and still, like Steve said, they don't all publish it the same way, cause they want to publish the parts that make their scopes look good. Only independent testing by outside groups like that reported by the Finnish magazine about low light scopes, gives you some type of realistic data. They didn't choose to test the cheap scopes only the top of the Lines like Zeiss Diavaris and Swarovskis and Doctors. So you wouldn't find out anything new and exciting anyway.

If you had understood what Steve had said in his original post you would have known to stay away from the Pentax Gameseeker period. Analyzing the details as to why is meaningless, its a cheap scope and probably gets returned a lot which he sees and you don't but can't really say out load.

For all you guys out there wanting detailed analysis of the bottom of the line scopes from any vendor, it doesn't exist. There are the users reports scattered here and there but none of it is objective or quantifiable, because we aren't doing scientific tests with instruments and comparing a dozen scopes side by side in the same manner.

You want a good scope for your rifle, buy the more trusted and less complained about middle to upper end of the spectrum of the brand names that every one has come to know is respectable. Leupold, Nikon, Bushnell, Zeiss, Burris, not necessarily in that order,

Don't criticize the fey guys that are trying to help you like Steve.
Its like walking into a new car dealer and instead of asking about the differences between the top of the line Corvette to the Lexus 430
You want to know the differences from a Ford Fiesta and Mazda 323, and bust the salesman's chops for not knowing how much horsepower they both make, like its really going to matter. Get a clue.

You want a good scope for your rifle, save your money, buy the Nikon Monarch Series, be happy, knowing you got a good scope that will not be embarassed by at the range. Mr G
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A big thank you

Postby jimmyb.1 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:10 pm

I was all ready to pull the trigger on a gameseeker purchase but had yet to do so. I too had narrowed my scope selection down to the Nikon pro staff and the Pentax gameseeker as 243 is inquiring about. I really liked the 95% light transmission that I thought the Pentax had. I have a 10x50 Pentax bino that is simply awesome for low light viewing which is why the preference toward Pentax. But hey, you'all are the knowing ones so now it'll most likely be the Nikon w/ the BDC reticle. The Pentax probably has lead based paint on it anyway.
Thanks for the posts, research doesn't seem to pay off as much after the fact - glad I checked b/f I purchased. Thanks again
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Light Transmission

Postby MrGman on Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:17 pm

Yes there is no way that the low end scope has 95% light transmission. If so why even think about a Monarch Series. Move up the food chain and be happy.
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Light transmission

Postby Rosco on Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:41 am

Both the Nikon Pro Staff and the Pentax Gameseeker are low end scopes and expectations for both should be tempered appropriately. However, it is of some importance to note that Nikon's warranty of rifle scopes is not strong. They will routinely categorize problems as "abuse" and their warranty will not cover repair or replacement. Customers in these cases are forced to accept the return of the damaged scope or pay for a new one.

Pentax no fault warranty covers everything including abuse. They do charge $20 for handling and shipping.

But, if you're buying a 3-9 power scope, you will be miles ahead to buy a used Leupold for about the same money as a new low end scope. The Leupold warranty is bullet proof and covers used scopes too.
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Re: Comparison Pentax Gameseeker -vs- Nikon ProStaff

Postby MrW on Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:49 pm

In todays market everyone is looking for more for their $ I own both of the scopes in question, both have been mounted on my 30-06 and on my T/C muzzle loaders they both perform flawlessly have excellent low light characteristics, hold their zero without fail and have taken many deer in low light conditions, however they both have about the same eye relief 3 - 3.5 inches and if you're shooting mag loads from a muzzle loader an extra inch would be nice but for the $ I paid for the Pentax vs the Nikon the Pentax wins! As for the comments about Nikon having more experience since they make cameras Mr. S obviously doesn't own a Pentax camera as I have for the past 30 plus years it still takes flawless photos today the same as it did the day I bought it, so in my opinion Pentax has just as much experience in lens manufacture as Nikon and since some of the Pentax gameseeker scopes had some problems with their reticles is why Pentax decided to have Burris scopes (of the USA) manufacture part or all of their Pentax Pioneer scope line (though I can't imagine Pentax having Burris manufacture the lenses)
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Re: Comparison Pentax Gameseeker -vs- Nikon ProStaff

Postby Guest on Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:01 pm

I must admit I was very skeptical of the quality of Pentax Gameseeker scopes until I purchased one about 2 years ago. These scopes are amazing in low light. A good friend of mine has a Leupold ...not sure what model exactly, but my Pentax was much better in low light. I am sold now and have 3 of them. YOU CAN NOT BEAT THEM for the price.

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