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1.5x6 scopes

Postby ourmaninthesand on Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:37 pm

I am having a new rifle built and am looking at scopes for it. My thought is that for what I have in mind (a deep woods rifle) a 1.5x6 with the largest exit pupil (at the maximum power = x6) possible would be a good fit. My budget is allows for a $1000 price cap. I am leaning towards the Doctor Optics scope with a plex reticule, although I wouldn’t mind the option of an illuminated reticule, which it does not have. Anyone have any thoughts that might help me?
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Postby ourmaninthesand on Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:29 pm

Does anyone have any recent experience with the scopes from Doctor Optic that might help me on this?
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Postby 300S+W on Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:27 am

ourmaninthesand,I'm pretty much looking for the same type of scope your inquiring about. Honestly don't believe you need to spend that much money for what your looking for but it sure leaves most if not all options open.If you could give a description of your rifle it would narrow down things a bit. In my case I'm looking for a scope in that range to put on my light wt. .300mag so I need good eye relief and do not want the scope to be to heavy as to affect the balance of the rifle.

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Postby JimFromTN on Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:48 am

Never dealt with Doctor optics but I have heard all the good things about it that you have. I have a Sightron SIII 1.5-6x50 which is a great scope. I was going to buy the Sightron SII 1.5-6x42 but I found a really good clearance deal on it so I got it. I'm glad I did. I still plan on getting the SII 1.5-6x42 for my slug gun as soon as I can scrape up the money. Sightron is considered a sleeper brand that people have not caught on to yet. I also have a monarch gold in 2.5-10 which has great glass. Monarch Gold also comes in a 1.5-6x42. I would definately get either a Monarch Gold or an SIII instead of the SII for my slug gun but I can't justify $500 to $600 for a slug gun scope at this time.
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Postby ourmaninthesand on Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:24 am

What it is going on:

.338 Federal chambered Montana Rifle M1999 action with a 21” Kreiger heavy sporter contour barrel (both in stainless steel, matte black backed enamel finish) and “express” style iron sights, and a Kepplinger single-set trigger. It will be stocked in a brown laminate sporter style stock from Accuracy Innovations. I was thinking of mounting the scope in a quick disconnect mount if I can find ones sturdy enough (and made out of SS). This thing is meant for the woods of the NW, and to used at realistic ranges (50 to 150 yard) in brush and under tree cover, but still have the reach to go out to 200 or 250 yards if the opportunity arises.
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Postby Steven_L on Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:34 pm

The Docter scopes are excellent, but we are no longer carrying them. They are currently being imported with Anschutz rifles. The price of the dollar has made the imported scopes a lot more expensive. You may try the excellent Monarch, or the Burris 1.5-6x40 Euro Diamond. Both very good choices.
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Postby 300S+W on Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:31 pm

Some of the scopes I'm considering are on the list below. Most are well under $1000 and it seems once you get near $1000 there's quite a jump over it. None in the list are illuminated but may be an option on some.

-Leupold VXIII 1.75-6x32 wt.11.3oz eye relief 3.7-4.4" 1" tube

- Burris Signature Safari 1.75-5x32 wt.12oz e/r 3.8-4.5" 1" tube

- Burris Signature Select 1.5-6x40 wt.16oz e/r 3.5-4" 1" tube

- Sightron II 1.5-6x42 wt.14oz e/r 3.8-4" e/r 3.8-4" 1" tube
(discontinued but still available)

- Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 wt.17.3oz e/r 4-4.1" 30mm tube

-Zeiss Conquest 1.8-5.5x38 wt.18oz e/r 4" 1" tube

- Meopta Artemis 2000 1.5-6x42 wt.22.6oz e/r 2.95" 30mm tube

I've tried to take the following into consideration:

- A power range to fit the terrain I hunt ,which seems to be like
yours.
- Weight, so I keep the balance of the rifle the way I want. not
top heavy.
- Eye relief, to deal with recoil when shooting in not so perfect
positions.
- Decent size objective for shooting in low light conditions.

So far I've used 2.5x20 2.75x20 4x38 fixed power scopes and 1.75-5x20 2-7x32 variable power scopes, so I have a good idea of what will work. Now I just need some hands on info from hunters that have used some of the above scopes! I hope this info has helped some and would appreciate any that you come across and can pass on.

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Postby ourmaninthesand on Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:43 am

Well, having and looked over those above (except for the Sightron…couldn’t find the specs on either the 40mm or the 50mm) and what I could find on-line I have come up with a short-list of four.

-Burris Signature Safari Illuminated (#4 reticule) 1.75-5x32
-Burris Euro Diamond Illuminated (E-Dot reticule) 1.5-6x40
-Nikon Monarch Gold (#4 reticule) 1.5-6x42
-Zeiss Conquest 1.8-5.5x38

Objectively I know that the Burris Safari would probably suit my needs best (power/exit pupil vs. weight/length), but the snob in me wants the Nikon or the Zeiss for my new “child”. As the Conquest line only has multi coating on the exterior lenses, does anyone have any practicle experience comparing it with the Nikon or Sightron scopes?
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Postby Guest on Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:43 pm

ourmaninthesand wrote:Well, having and looked over those above (except for the Sightron…couldn’t find the specs on either the 40mm or the 50mm) and what I could find on-line I have come up with a short-list of four.

-Burris Signature Safari Illuminated (#4 reticule) 1.75-5x32
-Burris Euro Diamond Illuminated (E-Dot reticule) 1.5-6x40
-Nikon Monarch Gold (#4 reticule) 1.5-6x42
-Zeiss Conquest 1.8-5.5x38

Objectively I know that the Burris Safari would probably suit my needs best (power/exit pupil vs. weight/length), but the snob in me wants the Nikon or the Zeiss for my new “child”. As the Conquest line only has multi coating on the exterior lenses, does anyone have any practicle experience comparing it with the Nikon or Sightron scopes?



I don't know where you read that the Zeiss Conquest in question doesn't have full multilayer coatings on all lenses. This was taken directly from the scope you are looking at.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/zeiss-conqu ... copes.html

"Carl Zeiss MC multi-coating on all glass-to-air surfaces for maximum transmission (markedly above 90 %), color fidelity and brilliance."

I like the Zeiss or the Nikon Monarch for your particular application. I would give the nod to the Nikon because of the slightly wider zoom range, more useful for close in hunting applications.

You really don't have to worry about brightness in general for such short range scopes of low magnification. The exit pupil on all of these is really more than you will use at low light at 6X mag, or less. Clarity will be good for all. The thing you really need is extreme ruggedness for a lightweight and hard recoiling rifle. You are more than willing to spend the money necessary to get a good rugged scope in any category so it really comes down to overall quality and vendor reliability. Thus, I give the Zeiss or the Nikon the top nods overall.
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previous post was mine

Postby MrGman on Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:04 pm

Once again too quick on the trigger, the previous post was mine, not trying to be anonymous.
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Postby 300S+W on Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:07 pm

Are you saying that the illuminated reticle scopes will/may not hold up on light wt. ,heavy recoiling rifles? I have no experience with these scopes nor know of anyone who has but I sure have wondered about it.

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Postby ourmaninthesand on Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:19 pm

I may have been under a mistaken impression. I thought that one of the differences between the Conquest and the higher priced scopes with the T-coatings was that the higher priced Zeiss scopes had the internal lenses coated and the Conquest only had the outer lenses coated. Was I mistaken? I can’t seem to figure out the difference from reading what I find on Zeiss’es web site.

Has anyone compared the Zeiss Conquest and Classic scopes to see if there is an appreciable difference between them?

As to the other point: I recall reading somewhere that some people have said that lighter scopes do stand up to recoil better (less mass = less inertia = less stress on the internal components), but even if it is truly a concern with hard recoiling guns I don’t think that it would be much of an issue with this rifle. I set out the parameters for its’ construction to relatively heavy for the caliber (.338 Federal) and length (scoped & loaded it should be pushing 9 or 9 and ½ lbs).
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Zeiss coatings

Postby MrGman on Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:17 am

The Zeiss T coatings are a different series of coatings on the more expensive Diavari line. That does not mean the Conquest series is not fully coated, just not the same type of coatings. The Conquest coatings are very very good, (and on all lenses like it says in the reference I gave you) the T coatings are all the more better, in a much higher price range.


As to the lighter scopes holding up better to the recoil. Maybe, The most important part is the reticle adjustment. This is already light weight and it isn't really important whether or not the rest of the scope is relatively heavy, it only matters that the reticle mechanism is very strong and keeps or puts the reticle back in the same position after the shot. It is doubtful that the glass lenses would fall out. The heavier the scope the more the scope might slide forward in the rings, after each shot which I have seen happen myself.

The higher end scopes all have good reticle mechanisms, there is no real way to rate them, you just have to ask Steve if any of the brands/models you are talkng about have any returns for reticle problems. If not, then go with the scope whose features you like the best.
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Postby 300S+W on Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:50 am

MrGman,Thank you for the info!!

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Postby ourmaninthesand on Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:10 pm

Thanks for all the input guys. I've decided to jump in the deep end and get the Zeiss 1.5-6x42T Classic. I know that I will never be able to justify it for much more than the pride of ownership...but what the heck. No point to being overseas if I can't put away a few toys to give me that "warm & fuzzy" feeling later.
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Postby 300S+W on Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:47 pm

Justify to who!!! Don't ever feel guilty for buying something you can afford! H**L,for that matter for something you can't afford within reason. Don't you think your worth it?
Don't know where your at or what your doing but take care of yourself.

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only apologize if it was a Barska or Tasco

Postby MrGman on Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:03 pm

Never feel guilty for buying quality, only for the opposite.

We would have to ban you from our private little club if you bought a Barska, or Leapers, or Tasco for such a fine rifle, but not a Zeiss,

By the way when do I get to borrow it and check it out??? :lol:

Nice call. 8)
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Postby ourmaninthesand on Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:35 pm

Sorry! Sorry! Don’t kick me out…I just got here! Well…I screwed up. I found the scope for a quite nice price and rather than just order it I had to look at their used binoculars too. Found a pair of the older Zeiss 7x50B that I decided I needed as well. Called my Dad to ask whether he had ever tried a pair and it turns out he has a beautiful pair that he wants to swap for a couple of Bushnell 2-7 power 3200’s. So now I have blown the budget and will have to either go with the Conquest or wait a few more months for the Classic. I should know better than to call him when I have the optic itch. He always has had the best stuff. I guess it just a good thing I wasn’t looking at Swarovski poro prisms…he’s got three pairs of those too.

Live and learn.
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Postby 300S+W on Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:36 pm

Remember,all good things come to those who wait! Hold out for the Classic.

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Postby JimFromTN on Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:42 am

I just bought a Sightron SII 1.5-6x42. I can't wait to put it on my slug gun. It got rated very highly by the American SlugShooting Association. They field tested it and put out over 2000 rounds and was unable to break it. I was not planning on buying one for a few months but then on this thread I found out that they discontinued them. freaked me out a little so I went out and looked and could not find any good deals anymore. I found one on ebay and screwed up and missed bidding on it. It went for $182 + $15 for shipping. This truly bummed me out seeing as that is about $50 cheaper than anyone is selling them for.

Went out a few minutes ago and found one on sale for $185 with free shipping and handling. I bought it immediately and did a little dance.

Anyway, I got my scope and I'm happy. I am thinking about replacing the leupold vari-x2 2-7x32 on my fiance's rifle with one of the new Monarch 2.5-10x42s. Anyway, there's always another scope to buy. I don't think it ever ends.
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