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Advice for new scope for Browning BAR .270

Postby DrAsus on Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:56 pm

hello all. I currently have a Browning BAR .270 with a Tasco Trajectory 6-24X40. I like the scope due to it ability to dial up to 500yards and be dead on. I deer hunt with it and I'd say majority of my shots are in the 2-300 yard range. I am dis-satisfied with the optic quality and low light ability. Most of the deer I see come out at dusk, and in the last 30 minutes of legal hunting time. What should i look for? I thought I had made up my mind with the Nikon Buckmaster 4-12X50. According to their website they offered it with the BDC reticle. However, after a phone call to Nikon it only comes in the Niko-plex reticle and the website was a mistake.
So what I want:
a BDC or something like my current trajectory scope that I can dial in for the longe distances
Excellent Low light capabilities(should I look at illuminated reticles???)
50mm--(cause i believe this would help in low light situations...if I'm wrong please correct me)

What scopes would ya'll reccommend? I have looked and looked and looked. I don't want to break the bank but was thinking of the $350-$400 dollar range; but please include all of you're reccommendations for me to review. Thanks :?:
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Re: Advice for new scope for Browning BAR .270

Postby Big Squeeze on Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:57 pm

DrAsus wrote:hello all. I currently have a Browning BAR .270 with a Tasco Trajectory 6-24X40. I like the scope due to it ability to dial up to 500yards and be dead on. I deer hunt with it and I'd say majority of my shots are in the 2-300 yard range. I am dis-satisfied with the optic quality and low light ability. Most of the deer I see come out at dusk, and in the last 30 minutes of legal hunting time. What should i look for? I thought I had made up my mind with the Nikon Buckmaster 4-12X50. According to their website they offered it with the BDC reticle. However, after a phone call to Nikon it only comes in the Niko-plex reticle and the website was a mistake.
So what I want:
a BDC or something like my current trajectory scope that I can dial in for the longe distances
Excellent Low light capabilities(should I look at illuminated reticles???)
50mm--(cause i believe this would help in low light situations...if I'm wrong please correct me)

What scopes would ya'll reccommend? I have looked and looked and looked. I don't want to break the bank but was thinking of the $350-$400 dollar range; but please include all of you're reccommendations for me to review. Thanks :?:
............First off. A 6x24 magnification is designed as a long range varmit scope. If most of your shots are between 2-300 yards on deer sized game, 3x to 5x is sufficient.

Your first concern should be better quality glass rather than increased magnification. You will have to compromise as best as possible with what you would like vs your price range, give or take a few bucks while achieving the best balance.

Burris Sig Select 3-12x44 Ballistic Plex @ around $419.
Burris " " 4-16x44 " " @ " $510.
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42 BDC @ " $399.
" " 3-12x42 BDC @ " $430.

For the shorter range kill shots, less than 150 yards a 6x on the low end is too much magnification. 2.5X to 3x with wider FOV`s is better. 10x, 12x to 16x on the high end is more than needed out to 500 yards for deer sized game. A 40mm vs a 44 or a 50mm obj., will only make a fractions difference in low light.

For your price range go with the better optics and reduce the magnification.
In your price range, you won`t get the better optics along with very high magnifications at the same time.
Big Squeeze
 

Postby 300S+W on Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:08 pm

Hey Squeezer,here's another one he may want to take a look at although we're creeping up on the lower end power:
Sightron Sll
4.5-14x42
Hunter Holdover Reticle
Adjustable Objective
Target Knobs
$356.18

til later
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Postby DrAsus on Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:44 am

Between the Burris and Nikon's you posted, which is better?? I definitely need a BDC. I never really understood how you choose magnification anyway. I really like the Nikons, maybe just because I have actually held them at a Bass Pro Shop and remember their quality......but do you think I should get a illuminated reticle like the Burris offers? Does Nikon offer such?? Thanks.
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Postby 300S+W on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:23 am

When it comes right down to your decision on a scope,only YOUR eyes will tell you which is the best scope. As you say,you held the Nikon. Also,the more options you get on a scope,the more you'll need to pay for an insurance of quality and endurance.
Don't leave out the Sightron as an option. They are VERY good scopes with one of the best internal systems in the industry. Their guarantee is a no questions asked replacement one and they stand behind it. I just got an Sll 1.5-6x42 that compares favorably with my Leupold VXlll 1.75-6x32 and in some respects I like the Sll better.
As far as choosing magnification goes,an example is the best way for me to explain it. You can make a 500 yd shot on a big game animal with 6x but try using 6x in a CLOSEUP situation. I had a friend just last season miss a chance at buck at less than 25 yds in a thicket because his scope was at 6x,it's lowest setting. Extreme example but I hope get get the idea.

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Postby DrAsus on Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:40 am

I will keep the sightron in mind; I've just never heard of them until yesterday. As far as the diameter goes, you stated that a 40 vs 44 vs 50 only would yield a fraction of light difference. I was in the belief that bigger is better, thus limiting my choices with BDC models (be it Nikon or whatever). Would the quality of glass actually be MORE beneficial as far as light transmission versus having a larger diameter scope??? I have actually looked at the Burris 4-16X44 you suggested on the opticsplanet website. But what do you feel is the "best bang for the buck"? What scope gives you the best glass quality with best light transmission for the best price? I understand that it is up to interpretation as what one may like another doesn't; but I am looking to balance the money aspect in my decision. Sure a few bucks more isn't going to break the bank, but I don't want for it to be $100 or more over my price range. I just want a good quality scope. I mean I've killed deer with my current scope, and I only use the rifle during hunting season a dozen or so times a year to go as my work schedule permits. However with that said, I don't want my "Trophy" buck to get away cause I couldn't see him in low light situations with my current scope---thus the hunt for a new scope for my Browning. Thanks again for all the replies.
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Postby 300S+W on Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:02 am

I'm with Big Squeeze on objective diameter. All other factors being equal other than objective size and you'll see fractions of a difference in low light performance. MORE benefits in low light enhancement to me come from better lenses/coatings. My Sll and VXlll seem to be equal in low light qualities even though the obj diam is 10mm larger on the Sll. The Leupold has the better lenses/coatings.

Not having compared the scopes mentioned,I can't advise which would be better and hopefully someone who has will chime in. Having said that,I will say that I've heard/read VERY good reports on Nikon Monarchs lenses/coatings which doesn't surprise me beings they make probably the best photo lenses.

One other factor in your choice should be the guarantee.

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Postby JimFromTN on Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:41 pm

I have owned both a buckmaster and a monarch gold. The monarch gold is way better than the buckmaster. The standard monarch is suppose to be the exact same glass as the gold but with a 1 inch tube vs a 30mm tube. The extra money for the monarch would be well worth it over the buckmaster. Shop around. You can find the monarch for $300 if you look in the right places. I would not go above the 3-12 magnification. I have a 2.5-10 and its all I need. You could make use of a 50mm objective since you will be using it at long ranges. It really does not come into play until you go above 6x magnification. Its up to you as to whether you really need to spend the extra money on it. If you have to chose between a higher quality glass and a 50 mm objective, I would definately go with the quality glass. If you can afford both then go fo it.

I also have a Sightron SII and a Sightron SIII. They are definately worth considering.
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Postby DrAsus on Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:59 am

Can someone advise on Burris scopes as far as their glass goes? Equal to or better than Nikon's? I'm scaling down my search and a Nikon and BUrris are at the top of my list. The plus I like for the Burris is that it has an illuminated reticle..something I think would help in low light situations. Please comment---
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Postby DrAsus on Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:26 pm

I don't want to spend an arm and a leg but want a good quality scope. How do I know who has the best glass? What's the opinion of the "best bang for your buck"?
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Postby kajn2pay on Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:16 pm

I'm new here, but here's my 2 cents. I have the exact same gun (BAR .270). I have the Nikon Monarch 4-12x40mm. When I'm in the woods I leave it on 4x. When I'm in the open it usually stays on 6x unless the deer is far off and then I'll turn it up. I've had the scope for 4yrs now and have taken quite a few deer with it. It hasn't let me down and the brightness is excellent. I got mine off of ebay and it was $289 shipped. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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