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SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

Postby Guest on Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:22 pm

:D I just purchased a SIMMONS DEERFIELD 8 POINT 3X9X32 scope with millet windage rings ,new for $35.00 at a local gun shop I will be puting it on a 22 mag ,Is this a decent scope for varmit hunting or is it crap ??
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Postby ranburr on Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:03 am

If you have to ask, I think you know the answer. :D Come on, what do you reall expect for $35.00? Quality scopes start at around $200.00.

ranburr
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Postby Guest on Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:19 am

:D Well I took it out on the 300 yard range this afternoon and after about 15 rounds , I had it shooting 3/4" groups at 100 Yards .!! The field was clear and sharp with no distortion !! I moved the target stand out to 125 yards and of course not being a milldot scope I had to guestimate the point of impact . After 4 rounds I was able to put 3 out of 5 in a 1.5 bull .!
I am impresed with this (SO CALED CHEAP SCOPE) I was shooting CCI MAXI MAG+V amo, rated at 2200 fps off a BENCHMASTER REST . There was a 2-6 mile east wind with no gusts over 8 mph. air temp 35deg. I found this to be a good scope for the money , I think useing MILLET windage adjustable rings was a big pluss!!
Not being my primary varmit weapon, I would not hesitate to use this weapon as a back up any time. The scope on a 17 or 22 mag is a very good combo at a very reasonable price. This was last years scope ,and has now been replaced with the BLAZER series, I know a lot of you think you have to pay a lot for good optics . If you are not useing heavy high power loads , you dont!! To get good preformance and reliabelity First look what the weapon will be primarely doing, hard travel , (a lot of being banged around) hot , cold temps. rain snow , ect . If not why fork over a lot of $$$$ for a weapon scope that isn't going to see a lot of rough treatment??
This is an artical a friend of mine wrote from the SAVAGE 10 ML site read it , there is a lot good info here if you understand the reason for a scope !!!!!! Check it out NAM and BACK !! 12 KILL'S
[url]http://www.chuckhawks.com/scoping_out.htm
[/url]http://www.chuckhawks.com/straight_scope.htm
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Postby Guest on Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:24 am

:oops: sorry I guess the links didnt work try these

[url]http://www.chuckhawks.com/straight_scope.htm
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Postby opticsplanet.com on Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:21 pm

Hi

Thanks for posting with us and thank-you for the links.

Since this issue of price versus performance seems to be a common thread in riflescope discussions, I'll throw in a few words from a dealers perspective.

The return/failure rate on riflescopes is inversely proportional to price (higher the price, the lower the rate). Inexpensive models have a MUCH higher failure RATE than expensive models, though no model has a perfect track record. This is not exactly headline news, but it is useful. Bascially, it's a matter of odds. If you are willing to accept the reduced performance and greater risk of failure with an inexpensive scope and all the problems involved with returns, missed opportunites and so on, then at least you are making an informed decision. Only you can decide if it is worth the risk.

My only issue is with people who expect Swarovski performance and long-term reliability on a Barska budget. Ranburr, myslef and others who have been around for a long time, know the folly of this. I agree with Ranburr on the $200 price point, give or take a few dollars, for a quality riflescope, if by quality we mean a model that can be expected to give good optical and mechanical performance for years of hard use under most conditions as well as a scope with a low probability of developing a problem. If you don't need this definition of quality from a riflescope, you may be happy with an inexpensive model. Keep expectations in line with price and you won't be disappointed.
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simmons

Postby guest on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:58 am

I will be purchasing a Ruger MKII in the .325 WSM
I will be short on funds since deer dues have to be paid so I was considering a Simmons Aetec for a short while until I can afford a Variax II. Will this scope hold up to the 325 for a short while (most likely less than a year)
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You $35 investment.

Postby MrGman on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:53 pm

Guest wrote about the Simmons scope he bought above: Well I took it out on the 300 yard range this afternoon and after about 15 rounds , I had it shooting 3/4" groups at 100 Yards .!! The field was clear and sharp with no distortion !! I moved the target stand out to 125 yards and of course not being a milldot scope I had to guestimate the point of impact . After 4 rounds I was able to put 3 out of 5 in a 1.5 bull .!
I am impresed with this (SO CALED CHEAP SCOPE) I was shooting CCI MAXI MAG+V amo, rated at 2200 fps off a BENCHMASTER REST . There was a 2-6 mile east wind with no gusts over 8 mph. air temp 35deg. I found this to be a good scope for the money , I think useing MILLET windage adjustable rings was a big pluss!!
Not being my primary varmit weapon, I would not hesitate to use this weapon as a back up any time. The scope on a 17 or 22 mag is a very good combo at a very reasonable price. This was last years scope ,and has now been replaced with the BLAZER series, I know a lot of you think you have to pay a lot for good optics . If you are not useing heavy high power loads , you dont!! To get good preformance and reliabelity First look what the weapon will be primarely doing, hard travel , (a lot of being banged around) hot , cold temps. rain snow , ect . If not why fork over a lot of $$$$ for a weapon scope that isn't going to see a lot of rough treatment??


First of all your "scope" did not shoot any groups at all, you and your rifle did. The scope simply allowed you to obtain a consistent picture of your target in relation to your barrel and you did all the hard work. You are shooting a good caliber bullet for reasonable accuracy at 100 yards, using a brand new scope. The scope has not taken a beating, has not been through a lot of changes of temperature and general handling abuse and you sing its praises like they are paying you for the testimonial on something that saved your life. Its a $35.00 scope. If you treat it well, never bang it around, never expose it to a lot of harsh temperature change, and keep it on a rifle that has very low recoil then chances are it will continue to work well for you, but you have not proved or disproved anyting about the quality of the scope. Give it some real abuse over the next 2 years, put it on a major caliber rifle and see if it lasts more than 100 rounds. Its only a value to you as long as you baby it, and it holds up in its very limited role. Don't make it sound like its the bargain of the year.
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Postby Guest on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:18 pm

Not sure if this is the same "guest" or a different "guest" But this person wrote. I will be purchasing a Ruger MKII in the .325 WSM
I will be short on funds since deer dues have to be paid so I was considering a Simmons Aetec for a short while until I can afford a Variax II. Will this scope hold up to the 325 for a short while (most likely less than a year)
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I would not waste one second of energy putting a low budget Simmons scope on a rifle of this caliber and hope to take it hunting and expect it to hold up. Why would you want to risk your hunt on such a low budget product, Would you drive your car at 120 MPH or bald tires you got at a salvage yard because you only expected to make one long road trip on them? If you really can't afford to go hunting and pay for the scope in the same year, I would take a year off from hunting, save my money, buy the good quality scope, set up the rifle and go hunting next year.

Of course I have a feeling that you will do it anyway, so expect to spend good money to go to the range to sight in your scope on this 325 short mag rifle, expect to pay really good money for that caliber ammo. When you start getting bad groups and spend more money going back to the range and back to the store for more ammo, of course question the rifle and the ammo and not the scope. Repeat this process and watch all of your hunting budget get wasted away, as you keep trying to dial in the rifle, have your friends give you lots of advice on how you have to dial in that rifle, maybe bed the stock, lap the barrel, buy even more expensive premium ammo and by all means don't take the scope off the rifle and see if it rattles by this point in time. Then start all over again to save your money to buy a real scope.

For a rifle that puts out more than 3500 foot pounds of kinetic energy, probably closer to 4000 ft lbs, and probably well over 50 foot pounds of recoil energy, the bad news is you should really buy a scope in the $400.00 plus price range. Beside the quality of optics you may be interested in and the zoom range, you should be asking the Optics Planet people what scopes and ring/mount sets will hold up best to the pounding this rifle will put out and give you the best expectation of continued service, and simply save up to buy that. I don't recommend myself a Leupold VXII for that caliber. But I will let others make a serious recommendation.
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scope quality

Postby flintlock on Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:08 am

i have been using redfield scopes [ 2 x 7 widefield--the ones made in denver for over 40 years in all kinds of weather from my home state in pa to maine and canada and never/never had a problem.even dropped from a treestand and still held the zero---you cannot beat the older style craftmanship:but back to simmons---they put out a quality scope for the money if you keep your shooting to 150 yards or less and do not use it in low light conditions. ihave a simmons on my 50 caliber smokepole and keep all my shooting under 100 yards using 130 grains of triple 7 and 295 grain powerbelt hp's---the scope takes the recoil and i don;t care about the power burns on the scope tube because of the price of the simmons scopes---i don't expect the scope to last 40 years like the redfield [i will not be here anyway] so if it fails.so what,just replace it for a few bucks :D
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again

Postby JimFromTn on Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:58 am

I am again going to try this. Don't pay attention to the moron behind the curtain. For reference see the Simmons Atec thread.

Simmons Atec is rated best scope for the money by Chuck Hawks. It is Simmons top of the line.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/simmons_AETEC_scopes.htm

The only thing I dont understand is why you would consider paying $200 for a temporary scope until you can afford a $400 scope. There are several good $200 scopes out there. I don't know how the Atec compares to a Leupold Rifleman, VX1, Nikon Prostaff, Buckmaster, or the Bushnell in the same price range but there are plenty in the $200 range that I would not consider temporary. A temporary would be a scope less than $100 like tasco, BSA, or the low end models of Simmons.

Actually, you might find that you actually shoot better with lower quality optics which might be why the initiator of this thread did so well out at the range. The better the optics, the more you will notice scope movement from things like your heart beat. I put a $25 bsa on my 300 win mag and took it to the range and was getting consistent groups of .5 inches at 100 yards. I went out and got a $600 Nikon Monarch Gold and I now my groupings are right around an inch, a little less on a good day. Sounds to me like a $35 simmons was the perfect scope for a 22 mag rifle that would be used at the range or for plinking or maybe shooting at groundhogs or something. I know I would not be going out and spending hundreds of dollars on it. I would love to have a marlin 22 mag with that scope on it. Of course, I would not put that scope on a rifle that I was going to use on an alaskan hunt where I have to pay almost $1000 for the plane ticket alone either.
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Budget Scopes

Postby Guest on Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:17 pm

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people want to put a $100 scope on $1200 rifle. Hell, I even did it myself when I started out. The trash can soon became full of Tasco's, Redfield Trackers, budget Simmon's and some other no name brands. I now work on the theory of spending at least half the value of the rifle on the optics.
Muzz
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Postby JimFromTN on Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:40 am

If you go out and read articles on the best optics for hunting out west and in Alaska, they recommend spending as much if not more on your optics.
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Postby Raff on Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:50 am

I still think that choice of scope is application-dependent, as mentioned often times by OP folks. My personal belief is that you should get the best optics you can afford. But if you are an Average Joe hunter who hunts whitetail and mule deer in the United States then $200 will get you quality optics that will fit your needs. Tight on funds? Then $100-150 will get you other quality, fully functional scopes like the Nikon Prostaff series and Bushnell Trophy and Legend series. If you can shoot worth a darn and you know how to hunt then you'll be just fine. Now, to be fair, I don't climb and fall out of trees, attempt to negotiate cliffs, or tumble into steep ravines. I'm getting too old for that! My preferred hunting still is off a ground stand or still/stalk and as such I've never dropped my rifle and clobbered my scopes in 30 years of hunting. And if the weather heads south then I simply carry an open sight Model 94 or Model 99.
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Postby stixx on Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:28 pm

I bought one of these scopes for my .22, and have owned it for almost 10 years. I was more careful for the first few years, then i jsut started leaving it in my trunk to be banged around for 2 years, with it jsut now showing the effects of abuse, becasue i cant sight it in now. Ive bene told if they eer wanted to rob a bank they would call me to drive..... so for 30 bucks I cant complain.....
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Re: SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

Postby jettts12 on Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:35 pm

I was just given a deerfield model 21031 4-12x scope. I plan to mount it on a remington model 788 in 308cal. Can anyone help me to understand the range finding operation on the objective which is marked from 25yds to 1000yds.
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Re: SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

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Re: SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

Postby deeg on Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:07 am

I've had a deerfield scope on my 10-22 for 10 years and can still drop a crow out of a tree at 200 yards. The durability seems to be fine especially when considering I carry it on my lap while on the lawn mower. I usually have no problem taking out a micro bear at 50 to 100 yards. On the other hand my 223 Weatherby has a Leupold scope that is amazingly accurate at 400 yards for varmits. It's funny how all the self proclaimed EXPERTS like to dis the capabilities of the average joe shooter. Of course, you get what you pay for in some situations, however you don't need a John Deere to work the sweet corn patch when a farmall will do the trick. Lets keep it real!!! A $35 simmons on a varmit gun is alright. A prairie dog trip to the Badlands or coyote hunting does not have a high price tag so if applicable the price tag should be proportionate.
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Re: SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

Postby Georgia Hunter on Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:49 pm

I have a new Thompson/Center Encore 270 caliber. It was a gift as was the Deerfield Simmons Scope I had mounted on the rifle. I recently shot a large deer at 117 yds through the neck, and another at 61 yards high under backbone. I believe in shot placement, not expensive scopes. Shoot 'em high, they die, Shoot 'em low, they go. Keep your gun in a hard case, and enjoy your Simmons scope.
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Re: SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

Postby Ken on Mon May 17, 2010 7:04 am

the new Simmons scopes do not list as Deerfield. Why is that? I have a Simmons Deerfield 4-12x40 scope that was on a rifle I bought. It seems like a good scope. What do you say? How much is it worth? Thanks.
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Re: SIMMONS DEERFIELD SCOPE ??

Postby w.gauger on Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:49 pm

Q- Just bought a .338 lapua what would be a high quality scope for it :?:
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