Not much down - TrueTimber Pulse Lightweight Packable Down Pants - Mens

There was not much info on sizing. I wear a 40 inch Wrangler so considering I'd be wearing a very heavy fleece pant under it for deer stand sitting in Saskatchewan I ordered the 2XL. A bit too big even with the fleece pant on but better loose th!n tight. Suspenders solve the problem. If you wear a 40 inch waist XL is big enough. Look well made but much less down than o expected